.



SIGNUP FOR
the NEWSLOOP




HOME

CONTACT US

FIND YOUR
COMMISSIONE
R


TOWNSHIP
WEBSITE


Major Initiatives
COMPREHENSIVE
PLAN

ECON DEVELOPMT CORP

Representation
VOTING - ELECTIONS

Development
COLONADE/100 YORK
ST BASILS/TOLL BROS
GALMAN -FOXCROFT SC
WILLOW GROVE MALL
ST.MICHAEL'S
NOBLE TRAIN AREA
BAEDERWOOD SHOP CNTR
FAIRWAY TRANSIT DISTRICT
ZONING REWRITES
YOUR HOUSE RE-ZONED?
ZONING VARIANCES
WAWA - BAEDER RD
YORK RD CORRIDOR PROJECT
CORRIDOR REVITALIZATION
WILLIARD COMPLEX IN GLENSIDE
MCDONALDS - DUNKIN DONUTS


Parks / Environ
BOY SCOUT PRESERVE
MANOR WOODS
OPEN SPACE
ARDSLEY WILDLIFE SANCTUARY
ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES
HUNTER SOCCER CLUBHOUSE
TV ACCESS CHANNELS
DEER HUNTS IN TOWNSHIP
FLOODING
WATER QUALITY
PESTICIDE SPRAYING
BILLBOARDS
MARCELLUS SHALE/FRACKING

Safety
POLICE MATTTERS
SOLICITORS AT DOORS
MASSAGE PARLORS
RED LIGHT CAMERAS

ILLEGAL ALIENS
E-VERIFY PROGRAM

CONTRACTOR REGISTRY


Services

TRASH - PAY TO THROW
LITTER

LOST AND FOUND

Communication
PUBLIC COMMENT
COMMUNITY GROUPS
ACTIVITIES -EVENTS
TOWNSHIP GOVERNMENT
FIND YOUR COMMISSIONER
COMMERCIALS ON TV
CELL PHONE TOWERS


Schools
SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT

SCHOOL ISSUES

Tools For Residents
WHERE TO FIND LAWS AND REGS
ANTI-DISCRIMINATION ORDINANCE
TOOLS FOR RESIDENTS


Finance
TAX COLLECTION COSTS

THE BUDGET PROCESS
THE TAX PROCESS
TAX ABATEMENTS
RYDAL WATERS
EMINENT DOMAIN IN ROSLYN
ZONING &
DEVELOPMENT



Employment

JOBS FOR OUR KIDS



and more...
CONTACT US
SITE MAP
INCLUDE YOUR ISSUE
ABOUT THIS NETWORK
POLICIES
PRIVACY
DISCLAIMER
REPORT ABUSES
CORRECT AN ERROR

ANONYMOUS REPORTING



Regarding Postings:
All views
Pro and Con
including
multiple views
on either side
will be given
equal access
on this site-
that said:
 "facts" are important

 

The Abington Citizens Network
where Abington, PA residents can share ideas and join forces to build a better community

                 
ST MICHAEL'S
Soil  Changes
( for Floodplain changes click here )
__________
 This issue of shifting soils we now consider to be somewhat resolved.  We did a great deal of research tracking down how the two different plot plans could be different.  It appears that there is a good possibility in 1990 when the engineer transferred the information to his map, he did it rather freehand and loosely and did not copy it correctly.  We took a look at the map he copied it from, and although we couldn't tell exactly where the borders were we did know that the shape of the borders looked more like the current soil map.  So we are considering this issue of shifting soils to be resolved.

 Click here for Soil Report received 11-9-11  This is a very complete 20 some page study and defines the different soils and some of the viability for use  --  be patient it takes a minute or two to load
_____________________

 Below you can see the two plats or plot plans that caused the original questions about soils that seemed to have "shifted" .

 

KIPLING RD AT TOP

 Above : The grey area on this plan ( above ) on the right  is the existing basketball court.  If you look just to the right of the court you'll see a dotted line in the shape of a "finger & thumb or the end of a "dog bone" --  that is the soil line .   
That soil is Ha- Hatboro loam - a hydrik ( or Heidrick ) soil,  often indicative of wetlands. 

  Below :  In the plan of the same property below you will see the same soil configuration that is actually labeled as a"flood plain conservation district" .  We were looking for the data that shows how those soils seemed to keep basically the same configuration but shift so far to the right .  As you can see on the new plan above, all the building structures are now outside of those soils .   The above new map  does agree with the most recent Department of Agriculture's soil samplings - new studies were done over the years and the maps were digitized . We didn't find  any data  that would cause a redrawing of the soils map - but having looked at the 1967  soils map below - it is possible that the engineer in 1990 did not bring the information over correctly.  Thanks to the  folks at DEP & US Dept Agriculture for their help .

 

                          

 The soils information is obtained from the United States Department of Agriculture Website.   http://websoilsurvey.nrcs.usthe freezerda.gov/app/HomePage.htm>> 
From the Twp:  "I looked at 1015 Fox Chase Road and have determined that the soils information that ( their engineer) has provided to be accurate.  I made a copy (TIF) of the area for your use and included with this email. It was explained to me that the soils information from 1967 (the date of the previous soils data book) and present day have been updated and revised many times to reflect more accurate soil surveys throughout the county and across the country by the Dept. of Agriculture.
   After the introduction of the FEMA maps, the Township adopted the use of the maps as a way to determine the flood zones by Ordinance No. 1753 on May 9, 1996. "

 A letter that we have indicates St Michaels had to  contact DER  or the Army Corps of Engineers  back in 1990 and they apparently were the ones that indicated the Ha soil was to be designated  as flood plain area -  St. Michael's then apparently  noted the Floodplain Conservation District  (which is the terminology for the zoning overlay
of a flood plain area) on their plan . FEMA may never have picked up that information when they created their maps.

                      Here is the 1967 soils map that the engineer would  have used to transfer the soils info.  It  would have been a difficult job.

 

 

 

__________________________
 

    Please feel free to contact us  with your own  information on these topics  and please be sure to    contact us about any information you believe to be incorrect -

 

 


  The Newsloop
    Sign up here to receive our periodic Newsloop updates on issues that matter to us all.
Knowledge is power. Stay informed to help shape your community and make a difference.

Abington Township revamped the entire Township website at the end of 2015 and broke all the links to the information. In 2017, under Richard Manfredi, someone inexperienced was assigned to redo the entire website again. The public was not asked what problems they would like to see fixed. Their new plan was not well thought out, so everything was very hard to find and there were giant paragraphs you had to slog through in order to find the pertinent one or two lines that you needed. Or if you were lucky enough to even find the meetings and agenda page, there was (and still is) a whole page of nonsense on top, so you think you're on the wrong page. Zoom limks are burrid in a giant paragraph, so people can't find them to attend the meeting. They know about these  problems - but have just decided to ignore us.... for the whole of Richard Manfredi's time here (with Tom Hecker's consent).

 Now, in 2025, we are due to get a new Manager, and there are funds put aside to, once again, upgrade the Township website. We can only hope for a fresh chance at fixing some of these things, as our Township website is the best tool we have for communication and should be an easy, user friendly site for all.

We need volunteers willing to work together to help improve the Township site that everyone has to use,  to make it functional and accessible. 

 We will be repairing our broken links in this Abington Citizens site, too, and fixing some of our many, many typo's as much as is possible. (Yes, it's quite evident that, unlike the Township, WE don't have a paid staff of 275+ or a $93 million budget).

 So...please let us know if you find broken links or typos. Send us the URL and/or and the name of the page it is on, so we can correct it.
Thanks for the help.

DISCLAIMER:
The information in this site, like any site, may have unintentional inaccuracies. These pages also have opinions.
Nothing should not be relied upon as fact until it is confirmed personally by the reader. 
Please read our full Disclaimer and read our Policies page before using this site.
Again..... if you find inaccuracies or even grammatical errors,  please contact us so we may correct them.